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AssertionHumour

It's not a typo, it's poetry.

<poolie> +        raise AssertionError("dirtstate line %r has trailing garbage: %r"
<poolie> +            % (trailing,))
<mnordhoff> "dirtstate"? :-)
<mfuller> That's what it becomes with trailing garbage   ;-}

BzedEx

lifeless> now 'bzr send -o-'
<lamalex> -o-?
<lamalex> like a little airplane?
<lifeless> :P
<lifeless> yes
<spiv> (holding your arms out and making "vrrrrm!" noises is optional)

(2008-04-24)

New backup format: bzr

Edward K. Ream, author of Leo Editor: 
I never dreamed that bzr would make such a difference to the Leo project...
It now seems to me that bzr does for backup what Python did for programming.

(2008-04-09, from leo-editor google group)

New internet file transport protocol: bzr://

[19:38] <jam> but generally, the repository will contain all the steps you did to get to your final result
[19:38] <jam> which is *usually* a good thing
[19:39] <jam> (Modulo the times when someone commits a 600MB iso image, and then removes it in the next commit)
[19:51] <bwinton> Heh.  I haven't done that.  Yet.  :)
[19:53] <jam> a bit more likely is checking in the compiled executable or object files
[19:55] <jam> my wife just checked in about 600MB of data files for her company
[19:55] <jam> because it was the easiest way to send them to another country
[19:55] <bwinton> Yoiks!
[19:55] <jam> I cringed a bit
[19:56] <jam> but I could agree that the ftp site they had set up was just awful
[19:56] <bwinton> bzr.  Like Fedex for your bits.

(2007-08-09)

bzr bundle is bad m'kay

Wichmann, Mats D wrote:
...
> Isn't it a little drastic to just toss the command
> with no warning?

Not for this command.  If I could burn it, vivisect it, and desecrate
its mother's grave, I would.  Alas, I can only toss it.
...
Aaron

(2007-08-07)

How NOT to do a feature request

< jdong> and I would also like more bouncy progress bars....
< abentley> jdong: It's not important to be fast, it's important to not feel slow :-)
< jdong> EXACTLY. and occupying the user with a shiny visual will distract him from the time and resource requirements of an app
< jdong> take Azureus for example...
< jdong> actually, I think I once DID make a ridiculously ADD-unfriendly 
               progress bar based on bzrlib's
< jdong> there's spinners on both sides, and a bouncy thing in the progress  bar itself that bounces off the side spinners
< jdong> | [===                                     /   ] /
< jdong> it was for an analysis stage of a defragger that lasts 30 minutes or so.... needed something to stare at
< abentley> Well, that's certainly.. an achievement.
< jdong> it was a pretty boring afternoon

Hall of shame

< dholm> hi, is it possible to make bazaar use a non-standard port when running over bzr+ssh?
< jdong> iptables -t NAT -A MANGLE..... just kidding :D
< dato> or ideally, configure it in ~/.ssh/config
< jam-laptop> dholm: bzr branch bzr+ssh://remote_host:10000/path/to/branch should work, as would ~/.ssh/config
 * dholm hits himself in the head for not trying that
 * jdong likes his idea better
< dholm> jdong: ;)
< jdong> there's gotta be a hall of (sh|f)ame for tips like that

Hello from amoebas

< LarstiQ> fullermd: the windows situation isn't very nice though :(
< fullermd> Oh, well, I accept that as an axiom in general   :p
< LarstiQ> fullermd: it's actually regressed
< fullermd> Windows regressed?  It's not even multi-cellular anymore?

Say what?

<jdong> And speech wreck a nice nation is worse than optimal
<jdong> pfft ok back to typing.

Of course they meant 42 ((46 + 35) / 2 add or take 2)

<marienz> 46
<marienz> uhmm, that was a typo
<fullermd> Oh, like we couldn't figure out that you really meant 35.  We're not stupid, y'know.

3 * 13 = 36, numerology in SHA256

(02:18:01) fullermd: Well, the SHA256 of the 0.13 distfile starts with 3bb3.  '13' is two digits, naturally, so there are two 3's, and there are two 'b's for 'bzr' to match them.  They're in the middle, of course, because the versions radiate outward from the product.
(02:18:24) fullermd: After that is an 'e', because 'e' is the 5th letter of the alphabet, and it's the 5th character of the string.
(02:18:38) fullermd: 'f' follows that, because it's after the _f_ifth character.
(02:19:21) fullermd: Then we get a '28b23b'.  28 is double 0.14, which is the next release, another b for bzr, then 23 which is ten more than the release, because it starts at the 10th char of the sum.
(02:19:50) fullermd: We've already referred to the 0.13 version twice, now, so the next reference will be the third, so it would be tripled; hence the '36' following that..

Versioning history on IRC

(20:25:04) fullermd: Sheesh, nobody's talking here lately.  I just scroll back a page, and there's messages from 1904...

Know the competition

(00:14:13) fullermd: Darcs makes the simple things tough, the difficult things near impossible, and the impossible merely really slow   ;)

Launchpad get naughty with newcomers

12:33:07 <somerville32> Now I'm having trouble pushing to lp.net
12:33:20 <j-a-meinel> somerville32: What is the problem?
12:35:13 <j-a-meinel> I'm wondering if you have 'paramiko' installed, which enables sftp:// support
12:39:52 <j-a-meinel> somerville32: are you still there?
12:50:52 -!- somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034077253.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]

Ewww, get a room!

(17:41:53) LarstiQ: vila: reproducing time!

Logging Canada during Winter

<abentley-gaim> jdahlin: if you're talking about bzr log, you've got a hurtin' box.  If you're talking about log file, then say so.
<ddaa> ryanakca: it appears your poking at canada made abentley-gaim grumpy :(
<abentley-gaim> Everything about Canadian winter makes me grumpy.

Patience, grasshopper

<ddaa> j-a-meinel: okay, so it appears to make sense so far.
<ddaa> normally, lifeless should pop up at this point and make my brain melt.

Your secret identity

***Mathilda fetches history from Einstein, Gandhi and Kant
<Mathilda> uh, Mathilda?
Mathilda is now known as uws
<uws> stupid freenode

Aesthetics

tomlord, talking about aesthetic decisions in the tla user interface, on gnu-arch-users.

<tomlord> So, y'know, if you have to guess what color the bike shed got painted at least you can make a good guess that "it's probably that ugly shade of puke green that Tom is so fond of." :-)

Jesus is watching you

<fullermd> Therefore all branches are Socrates.
<ddaa> Therefore Diogenes is a dog.
<ddaa> If I have a dog one day, I might call it Diogenes, that's a cool name for a dog.
<diogenes> ?
<ddaa> oops

Test driven development

< mpool> I think I'm running the test suite at least once a day, on average.

The two kinds of dscms

On OpenSolaris plans for a new VCS

< ddaa> I think they realized there are two kinds of dscms...
< ddaa> the obsolete ones and the experimental ones

Aaaah, CVS...

Discussing whether CVS supports renames.

<jblack> I thought CVS was no! A bunch of people said "sure it does!".
<ddaa> they're out of their mind
<ddaa> it supports rename as long as you are willing to break history
<epn> and do manual surgery on the repository...
<ddaa> which kinda defeats the point of using a VCS in the first place
<ddaa> CVS = Called a Vcs by Some?
<abentley> ddaa: Conceivably Versions Something.

Evolution

< bos31337> rcs and sccs are prokaryotes.
< bos31337> cvs is a metazoan.
< bos31337> the current crop of distributed scms are trilobites.
< bos31337> we await the bony fish of revision control.

Multiple parents

bob2: how did bzr end up with two parent nodes, anyway?
lalo: mpool lost one revision, seemingly
lalo: that's good... humans have two parent nodes and we can still merge.

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